Carbon Black App Control vs. F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense

Overview
ProductRatingMost Used ByProduct SummaryStarting Price
Carbon Black App Control
Score 8.1 out of 10
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Carbon Black App Control is an application control product, used to lock down servers and critical systems, prevent unwanted changes and ensure continuous compliance with regulatory mandates.N/A
F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
Score 8.3 out of 10
N/A
F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense (formerly Shape Defense, acquired January 2020) provides security to protect a website from bots, fake users, and unauthorized transactions, preventing large scale fraud and eroded user experiences. Companies get visibility, detection and mitigation outcomes to reduce fraud and cloud hosting, bandwidth and compute costs, improve user experiences, and optimize their business based on real human traffic.N/A
Pricing
Carbon Black App ControlF5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
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Custom Quote
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Carbon Black App ControlF5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
Free Trial
NoYes
Free/Freemium Version
NoNo
Premium Consulting/Integration Services
NoYes
Entry-level Setup FeeNo setup feeOptional
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User Ratings
Carbon Black App ControlF5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
Likelihood to Recommend
10.0
(3 ratings)
8.2
(33 ratings)
Likelihood to Renew
-
(0 ratings)
8.2
(1 ratings)
Support Rating
-
(0 ratings)
8.3
(33 ratings)
Implementation Rating
-
(0 ratings)
7.8
(24 ratings)
User Testimonials
Carbon Black App ControlF5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
Likelihood to Recommend
Broadcom
Cb Protect is best suited somewhere where you want to maximize the lockdown of workstations. So moving past no local admin rights to blocking specific applications and peripherals. The idea would be to have a list of applications you want to run, and then anything else is not able to be used. As stated prior, if you have a very fluid environment where you are having all sorts of new applications installed frequently (I feel for you!!) this is still do-able, but it misses the general idea. I think especially in environments that are more sensitive to new applications, like banks, healthcare systems etc, this is a good fit. The ability to look at application levels, drift, unapproved software etc is very useful.
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F5
I'd strongly recommend it, but with a few caveats depending on how mature the team is with behavioral based security tools. One of our fintech clients was getting hit with low volume, widely spread login attempts, below our rate limiting thresholds. F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense was able to flag abnormal input timings, inconsistent device fingerprinting and high entropy in field population behavior. You can only imagine the wave of downstream account lockouts this saved the client. On the other end we had a client with a real time trading platform using Graphql over websockets. F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense wasn't able to tap into that stream natively. we had to reverse engineer a proxy layer to inspect events. It worked but it was clunky and not officially supported
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Pros
Broadcom
  • Controls file writes, executions of the scripts
  • Defends from process injections, memory protection
  • Visibility and lock down posibilities
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F5
  • Quickly helps mitigate the retooling and newer advanced bot attacks
  • Excellent customer service from our f5 bot Defense team/partners
  • Easy to do Traffic Analysis/False Positive reviews with their dashboard of data
  • Our F5 Security/Solutions Architect and TAM is always there for us whenever we need them
  • First class service by the F5 Distributed Cloud Bot DefenseSOC, the Tactics Team, the F5 Testing person that helps us, the mobile SDK experts, the Client-Side Signals experts and F5 management
  • Industry best Threat Briefings
  • Not only is F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense great at stopping the advanced bot attacks, they also have protection against any tampering or replay attacks.
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Cons
Broadcom
  • Perhaps more specific training.
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F5
  • On a technical side, we've had a lot of deployment issues. This is not a one-sprint solution.
  • We ran into undocumented failure modes and had to rely on L2 and L3 customer support, delaying troubleshooting significantly [in our experience].
  • Accurate log ingestion is a larger challenge than one would want in a security tool.
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Likelihood to Renew
Broadcom
No answers on this topic
F5
We are more likely than not, to renew it. It saved us from a really huge data breach 4 months ago. It has earned its shower so far
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Support Rating
Broadcom
No answers on this topic
F5
Official support can sometimes take time to reach the right people. However, once you are in contact with the appropriate experts, the support is excellent, as F5 staff are true specialists. On the other hand, we always receive prompt assistance from our local sales team, who typically help us connect with the right people quickly.
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Implementation Rating
Broadcom
No answers on this topic
F5
Implementation of Distributed Cloud is accomplished a few different ways, it would pay to meet with the F5 team and map out your implementation prior to acquisition to make sure you Infrastructure and Operations teams are aligned to the approach and requirements.
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Alternatives Considered
Broadcom
The big difference between Protect and Barkly/AMP is how exactly it goes about what it's doing. Protect is application whitelisting and program reputation. So the way it's protecting you is using a proprietary reputation service, and hash values to identify applications, and then hitting a list of whitelisted programs to decide if you are able to run that or not, based on the policy you are in. There is a LOT of value in that. We actually are working on transitioning to Cisco Advanced Malware Protection (AMP). The main reason is cost (about the same cost as Cb Protect, but with (most of) the featureset of all 3 Carbon Black products for less than 1/3 of the total spend. AMP works differently, looking at a reputation service powered by Cisco's Talos cloud. You don't really have application whitelisting, but that also reduces how many "requests" you get for applications. So I'll have to find a different way to do whitelisting and USB blocking and the like, but I'm getting more visibility across my network and also built in antivirus (TETRA engine - ClamAV with some work). Barkly is an add that we are looking to put in as it looks at behavior of programs. So specifically it watches for privilege elevation and the like. Thus far all the big name problem children (WannaCry, other ransomware problems) have been caught natively in Barkly day 0.
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F5
Clodflare bot management was our other obvious option for us. We tested it on a staging version of our RFQ platform. It was great for broad traffic filtering but had a hard time with nuanced differences between real subcontractors and low volume bots mimickingt human input whereas that's where F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense thrived
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Return on Investment
Broadcom
  • App Control can ensure Continuous Compliance.
  • Solution can reduce expenses on different security software.
  • Nowadays Zero Trust approach is very important for any organization and Application control is one of the main parts of it.
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F5
  • Prior to F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense, we were averaging 12k plus credential stuffing attempts weekly across client portals That number fell down to less than a thousand in just 4 weeks
  • Over 90 percent of scraping and unauthorized price harvesting blocked
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