F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense vs. Ideagen Risk Management

Overview
ProductRatingMost Used ByProduct SummaryStarting Price
F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense
Score 8.5 out of 10
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F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense (formerly Shape Defense, acquired January 2020) provides security to protect a website from bots, fake users, and unauthorized transactions, preventing large scale fraud and eroded user experiences. Companies get visibility, detection and mitigation outcomes to reduce fraud and cloud hosting, bandwidth and compute costs, improve user experiences, and optimize their business based on real human traffic.N/A
Ideagen Risk Management
Score 7.3 out of 10
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Ideagen's Enterprise Risk Management (ERM) software solution (formerly known as Pentana Risk) fully integrates risk management processes, from identifying and assessing risk business-wide, to assigning and monitoring mitigation plans, all the way through to reporting and defining a long-term strategy for enhanced performance.N/A
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Community Pulse
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the cloud center was EOL so I were exploring other product
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Palo Alto Networks Advanced Threat Prevention, Palo Alto Networks Advanced URL Filtering, Palo Alto Networks Cortex XDR, Palo Alto Networks Next-Generation Firewalls - PA Series, Palo Alto Networks WildFire and Palo Alto Panorama
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Akamai Bot Manager
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Best AI at the time
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AWS Waf is limited to apps hosted entirely on AWS.
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Clodflare bot management was our other obvious option for us. We tested it on a staging version of our RFQ platform. It was great for broad traffic filtering but had a hard time with nuanced differences between real subcontractors and low volume bots mimickingt human input …
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We had already been using Cloudflare as our CDN, so it was a natural first choice. We however passed because it didn't offer deep behavior analytics. We ran simulations with scripted bots mimicking human cursor movements and variable delays. It missed about 30% of them. That …
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To mitigate security issues and make application more available
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NGINX and F5 BIG-IP
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Akamai Bot Manager
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Bot Defense
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F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense provides strong protection against automated threats, but there are always opportunities for enhancement.
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Friendly Captcha – Too slow, no support for mobile apps, can be bypassed with automation.reCAPTCHA – Not GDPR-compliant, no support for mobile apps.
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Akamai Bot Manager, Cloudflare and HUMAN Bot Defender
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Leaps and bounds ahead of the game from competitors
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We have tried a whole bunch of solutions before we got Shape bot defense solution. But non of them worked for us the way F5 Shape solution worked
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No other product have been used so far.
Ideagen Risk Management
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We selected Pentana because our neighbouring authorities are users and had spoken highly of the product and given us demonstrations; some of our staff were also familiar with Pentana when it was called Covalent. It seemed to be the best product on the market for monitoring …
Features
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Governance, Risk & Compliance
Comparison of Governance, Risk & Compliance features of Product A and Product B
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Ratings
Ideagen Risk Management
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Common repository of GRC items00 Ratings6.40 Ratings
Risk management00 Ratings8.20 Ratings
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User Ratings
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Likelihood to Renew
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Usability
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User Testimonials
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Likelihood to Recommend
I'd strongly recommend it, but with a few caveats depending on how mature the team is with behavioral based security tools. One of our fintech clients was getting hit with low volume, widely spread login attempts, below our rate limiting thresholds. F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense was able to flag abnormal input timings, inconsistent device fingerprinting and high entropy in field population behavior. You can only imagine the wave of downstream account lockouts this saved the client. On the other end we had a client with a real time trading platform using Graphql over websockets. F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense wasn't able to tap into that stream natively. we had to reverse engineer a proxy layer to inspect events. It worked but it was clunky and not officially supported
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Pentana is great for monitoring PIs and risks. We find it less helpful for monitoring projects (with the Actions module); it isn't quite flexible enough for our needs, though the support team have been very helpful in adding custom fields for us.
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Pros
  • Regularly analyze traffic patterns and bot activity. Use the insights provided by the platform to refine rules and policies.
  • Configure rules to specify acceptable behavior for user interactions and alter sensitivity levels as appropriate to reduce false positives.
  • Integrate F5 Bot Defense into our existing security stack, which may include WAFs (Web Application Firewalls) and SIEM (Security Information and Event Management) solutions.
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  • Pentana is excellent for monitoring, recording and reporting on PIs. Very easy to use the PI module.
  • Pentana is excellent for monitoring risks at various levels (service, strategic etc.). Risks are displayed very clearly in a tree structure and the module is relatively easy to use.
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Cons
  • On a technical side, we've had a lot of deployment issues. This is not a one-sprint solution.
  • We ran into undocumented failure modes and had to rely on L2 and L3 customer support, delaying troubleshooting significantly [in our experience].
  • Accurate log ingestion is a larger challenge than one would want in a security tool.
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  • Pentana could improve the free Documents module that comes with Pentana Risk. At the moment documents have to be linked to an action in order to display query results (such as how many documents are due for review) - this can be confusing for users who don't understand why there is an action linked. There is also no easy way for users to see the documents that are assigned to them.
  • We would like to use the Actions module fully in order to monitor our corporate projects, but it a bit confusing for users and not very flexible when a project doesn't mirror Pentana's way of monitoring actions.
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Likelihood to Renew
We are more likely than not, to renew it. It saved us from a really huge data breach 4 months ago. It has earned its shower so far
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Usability
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Some modules are more user-friendly than others. It's sometimes not obvious where to click to update the fields (or even that field titles can be clicked on). We have written 'Howdys' to help users. There can also seem to be a lot of steps/clicks to updating risks and actions. The Reports module on Pentana classic is certainly not user-friendly, particularly the Report Layout and Charts modules - we were told these would be integrated into the web version but this hasn't happened yet.
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Support Rating
Official support can sometimes take time to reach the right people. However, once you are in contact with the appropriate experts, the support is excellent, as F5 staff are true specialists. On the other hand, we always receive prompt assistance from our local sales team, who typically help us connect with the right people quickly.
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The support team are excellent and always answer queries promptly. They are very helpful.
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Implementation Rating
Implementation of Distributed Cloud is accomplished a few different ways, it would pay to meet with the F5 team and map out your implementation prior to acquisition to make sure you Infrastructure and Operations teams are aligned to the approach and requirements.
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Alternatives Considered
Clodflare bot management was our other obvious option for us. We tested it on a staging version of our RFQ platform. It was great for broad traffic filtering but had a hard time with nuanced differences between real subcontractors and low volume bots mimickingt human input whereas that's where F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense thrived
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We selected Pentana because our neighbouring authorities are users and had spoken highly of the product and given us demonstrations; some of our staff were also familiar with Pentana when it was called Covalent. It seemed to be the best product on the market for monitoring risks, PIs and projects.
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Return on Investment
  • We experience large web/data scraping attack campaigns and F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense over the years has helped mitigate these for us and significantly reducing load off of our origin servers.
  • Also, we experience many large Credential Stuffing attacks and F5 Distributed Cloud Bot Defense helps us stop these attacks and protects our customers.
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  • Pentana Risk has allowed my team to focus on other areas of work whereas before we would be manually chasing for updates on PIs and risk. Pentana Risk does the chasing for us!
  • We are able to produce reports for audit purposes very easily, rather than sending spreadsheets which is what we used to do.
  • New managers can easily inherit risks, projects and PIs and see all of this on a custom portal, saving them time when they start.
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Screenshot of a dashboard showing the risk profile and scores for each individual risk, with a range of visual toolsScreenshot of Screenshot of a step-by-step form filling exercise that guides the user through each field