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Likelihood to Recommend

IBM BPM

Have your process first on paperIts important to first document the process before venturing into BPMS. It will save a lot of pain and heartaches. A BPM tool is nomagic bullet, it merely automates your process. Its upto you to put visibility and tracking on top of it. Provide monitoring so thatyou get a chance to improve your process continously.BPM is not an applicationIf you are trying to build an application with BPM, chances are that your are alraedy failing. BPM must be a strategic initiative for anorganization. Yes, you build Dashboards, Reports and other software in BPMS, however you do it at a process level not at an applicationlevel.http://bpmstech.blogspot.com/2011/05/bpm-initiative.htmlKnow the difference between process data and business datahttp://bpmstech.blogspot.com/2011/05/lombardi-best-practices.htmlhttp://bpmstech.blogspot.com/2012/02/bpm-system-architecture.html
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OutSystems

OutSystems excels with building web interfaces fast and lends itself to custom integrations written in .Net. Most anything can be brought in given this ability to be extended. One of the drawbacks to the speed of development is that most quality control teams become quickly overwhelmed and may be unable to keep up.
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Feature Rating Comparison

Reporting & Analytics

IBM BPM
2.0
OutSystems
Dashboards
IBM BPM
2.0
OutSystems
Standard reports
IBM BPM
2.0
OutSystems
Custom reports
IBM BPM
2.0
OutSystems

Process Engine

IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems
Process designer
IBM BPM
9.0
OutSystems
Process simulation
IBM BPM
7.0
OutSystems
Business rules engine
IBM BPM
10.0
OutSystems
SOA support
IBM BPM
9.0
OutSystems
Process player
IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems
Support for modeling languages
IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems
Form builder
IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems
Model execution
IBM BPM
5.0
OutSystems

Collaboration

IBM BPM
4.0
OutSystems
Social collaboration tools
IBM BPM
4.0
OutSystems

Content Management Capabilties

IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems
Content management
IBM BPM
8.0
OutSystems

Low-Code Development

IBM BPM
OutSystems
7.9
Visual Modeling
IBM BPM
OutSystems
8.0
Drag-and-drop Interfaces
IBM BPM
OutSystems
8.1
Platform Security
IBM BPM
OutSystems
7.8
Platform User Management
IBM BPM
OutSystems
7.5
Reusability
IBM BPM
OutSystems
7.9
Platform Scalability
IBM BPM
OutSystems
8.1

Pros

IBM BPM

  • System does a great job normalizing business process and automating order processing tasks. Before TeamWorks, the process was much more manual and more expensive staff ($65k to $70K) were required to manage the process. Since implementing TeamWorks, we need much lower-skilled workers to manage order processing.
  • System ensures that we have consistent data across all systems.
  • Rules engine is really the “company playbook” – it is the heart and soul of how the company works. It handles thousands of orders per day
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OutSystems

  • Deployment management – OutSystems has a built in robust, multi-environment deployment system that helps ensures the clean and error free deployment of applications through the development, testing and production product lifecycle
  • Rapid application development – Through the low code, graphical development environment you can develop applications far quicker than with more traditional development environments
  • Cross platform mobile development – OutSystems handle the development and building of mobile application for both iOS and Android in a simple streamlined way that removes 90% of the problems normally associated with multi platform development
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Cons

IBM BPM

  • Performance - due to high I/O with DB some of the times the flow responds slowly to changes.
  • Supporting coarse-grained services. Some of the services with nested objects and cyclical references do not generate the types on the BPM side.
  • Support a higher number of in flight instances - the system chokes and behaves erratically once the active instances goes above 20K.
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OutSystems

  • The platform controls all the parts. While great for development and overall maintenance, it could lead to discussions with your DBA (who has to trust the platform). As a developer I love the platform, as a DBA I would like more control.
  • By making software development model driven using flows, you are forced to rethink the way of programming. It makes it easier, but sometimes the way of working leads to code which could be optimized (standard problem in model based software development).
  • Most of the code is generated, so the technical knowledge of the inner working of coding are not Essentials. This could lead to degration of this knowlegde. As part of this, most technologies will only be used when OutSystems supports it. They do a good job on implementing these things. But things like Node.js would be nice.
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Likelihood to Renew

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 8.0
Based on 4 answers
This particular decision will be made by other people. Overall IBM BPM is the best BPM engine that I have worked with. It is implemented at our company and IT and business are already somewhat familiar with it. Therefore if asked I will recommend renewal as long as the price is reasonable.
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OutSystems

OutSystems 9.1
Based on 4 answers
We are very happy with OutSystems and our developers deliver good work. OutSystems lets us build new software on a regulare (2 weekly) basis, which is highly flexible and adjustable. Even without very much experience, our developers manage to build usefull software, which is working a lot better than our previous (legacy) software.
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Usability

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 8.0
Based on 2 answers
• The system is easy enough to use but, by definition, is a complex tool. However, they have done a good job generally balancing tool complexity / capability with usability. When comparing to MS Biz Talk, for example, Biz Talk has less functionality but is actually harder to use.
• Software is very flexible. For somebody with the right technical background, it’s quite easy to write some Java code to overcome any hurdles or make the product do what is needed
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OutSystems

OutSystems 9.1
Based on 3 answers
I am really happy using OutSystems in my work. It gives me the opportunity to create good working software without having had very much IT-experience before. It also made me more interested in the background of IT and learning different languages.
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Support

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 9.0
Based on 1 answer
• Always get a response to a support ticket in less than 2 hours
• Urgent tickets are usually responded to within 15 minutes
• Support staff generally are familiar with our setup and it’s not necessary to explain things multiple times – frequently talk to the same person who is very familiar with our setup
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OutSystems

OutSystems 7.6
Based on 43 answers
In becoming bigger, the support encountered several growing pains, but we've seen amelioration (also by involving a customer engagement manager, more direct lines with OutSystems, and better contact with partner Noesis). Sometimes growing goes fast and the organization needs to adapt to the new world. New markets are conquered, but others still need to grow.
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In-Person Training

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 9.0
Based on 1 answer
• Attended on premise sysadmin training for 4 days, 8 hours per day. Although further follow-up training was available, I never felt the need to go back. Training was very hands-on with real modeling (rather than just following a manual). Very effective.
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OutSystems

No score
No answers yet
No answers on this topic

Implementation

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 9.0
Based on 1 answer
• Very satisfied – not too difficult at all.
• We had a consultant available as part of our contract, but we didn’t really need to use (except for some advice on ActiveDirectory and single sign-on)
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OutSystems

OutSystems 8.1
Based on 2 answers
Manage expectations properly.
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Alternatives Considered

IBM BPM

Pega Pega is a comprehensive suite which offers a unique theme of BPM development in the market. A no-coding approach based on rules with inheritance makes Pega a very powerful product. However Pega, falls short on integration centric capabilities and very rigid to customize. On the other hand IBM comes with array of products which suits needs of varying degree. Advanced integration is solved by BPEL Process Server which has support for state based patterns and mediation. Dynamic rules and event management can be solved with WODM, Cloud to on-premise connectivity with Cast Iron, Enterprise gateway and security usecases with DataPower, Social BPM with IBM BPM , WODM, mobify with Worklight.Pega has a little bit of eveything here and there. It solves the dynamic rule management, brings out the flavor of Social BPM and mobility with Antenna ( I guess) and predictive analytics as well in one single suite. There are certain usecases which needs to have a little bit of everything, however this little bits and pieces of functionality when its blows, Pega would have problems to scale. With IBM its a bit nightmare to maintain a variety of technologies, however you can wish to go for one without the other and go for something only when you truly need it.Pega vs IBMIts difficult to pick a winner. In nutshell when you want a full scale BPM with rich integration capabilities go for IBM BPM. On the other hand if you hava mature integration capability already, Pega can yield quick results for you as well. Pega's strength is its methodology. IBM BPM's strength is integration. Actually you can't go wrong with both in terms of implementation. My strong recommendation is to invest time to process analysis and pick a good vendor to support consulting and implementation.
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OutSystems

I tried to use WordPress with some success. Also looked at Joomla. But when I saw OutSystems I knew I had been wasting my time there. It takes you longer to get going with OutSystems - but even I as a novice realized immediately that Outsystems is simply in another league. Outsystems is powerful. (Can you compare WordPress and Joomla to Outsystems - I don't think so).
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Scalability

IBM BPM

IBM BPM 10.0
Based on 1 answer
It scales from small team interactions to business processes serving thousands of employees, as well as straight-through-processing needs that go well beyond. Of course, scale is always in the eye of the beholder, but IBM BPM does a good job of giving you all of the hooks, APIs, and data that you need to take on whatever scaling approaches you need to meet the load
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OutSystems

No score
No answers yet
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Return on Investment

IBM BPM

  • In the case of retail origination, the back office required for processing was reduced by 50%. The cases sent to credit assessment were also reduced by 50%. The quality at the origin was improved by 10%.
  • By having detailed tracking for each request, the audit reports stopped being unfavorable.
  • It is a fundamental pillar in our digital growth, allowing us to align our processes to our business needs.
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OutSystems

  • The ease of use of the OutSystems development process has been the biggest ROI for us. We have developed our Framework product and maintained/enhanced it with only 4 workers.
  • OutSystems has enhanced their product very significantly over the last 4 years. They have gone from a simple to use tool to a very simple to use sophisticated tool that covers the standard mainframe-based computing apps and the apps used on handheld mobile devices all using the same basic set of development tools.
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Pricing Details

IBM BPM

General

Free Trial
Free/Freemium Version
Premium Consulting/Integration Services
Entry-level set up fee?
No

OutSystems

General

Free Trial
Yes
Free/Freemium Version
Yes
Premium Consulting/Integration Services
Yes
Entry-level set up fee?
No

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